Wednesday, 28 March 2012
Am I just being paranoid......
Sunday, 25 March 2012
Building up the Rolling Chassis
Saturday, 24 March 2012
Today is officially the start of the rebuild :)
The workshop is all cleared and ready to start work and the parts are ready and waiting. Time to get going!
- Front forks rebuilt and refilled with oil - tick
- Top Tip - heat the fork legs up by standing in boiled water for 10 minutes before putting the oil seals in - the metal will expand and make it easier to fit the seals.
- Top Tip - I used an old plastic measuring jug to refill the legs with fork oil and marked a line on it with permanent marker so that both legs would have as near as possible the same amount of oil in them.
- F & R wheel bearings and oil seals fitted - tick
- Top Tip - conversely, stick the bearings in the freezer for a couple of days first to shrink them down and make them easier to fit.
- Top Tip - label the bearings beforehand so you know which ones go where!
- Top Tip - the old bearings are useful to use as drifts to drive the oil seals in.
- Speedo drive fitted - tick
- Sprocket and cush drive fitted - tick
- New brake shoes and rear brake fitted - tick
This is feeling good :)
Wednesday, 21 March 2012
Like Father, like son
Where has my newly painted petrol tank ended up for safe keeping?
On top of the wardrobe in our bedroom of course! :)
"Before" photos of engine
Engine casings resprayed:
Side casing taken off ready for polishing:
Tuesday, 20 March 2012
Now we're motoring....
Monday, 19 March 2012
Wheels done!
Sunday, 18 March 2012
Beautiful Paintwork!
Monday, 12 March 2012
Paint & Decals update
Sunday, 11 March 2012
Ultrasonics
Thursday, 8 March 2012
Who left all this greasy rubbish here?
Spent a couple of hours this evening cleaning up last bits and pieces, so I can be ready to start THE BIG BUILD in a couple of weeks.
So things like breather tubes, wiring loom, handlebar controls etc all got a good deep clean. Job done.
Then I found another box full! Oh well, what's one more night after all this time :)
I'm really having to resist the temptation to have everything looking brand spanking new at the moment. I decided at the outset that my 'standard' to aim for was that it should look like a well cared for 2 year old bike, so it's ok to have the odd tarnished bolt etc. But the temptation is almost irresistible at times...
I think I will end up gradually replacing the patina over time!
Anyway, one more night should see everything cleaned up.
The 'to do' list has reduced a lot this week. Now it is only: finish cleaning bits; detail polishing of wheels; strip top end of engine and send head and barrels off for vapour blasting; repaint cam cover; polish engine side cases. Then I can start reassembly. Can't wait!
Wednesday, 7 March 2012
Second time lucky?
Sunday, 4 March 2012
Paintwork
Here's how they looked before they went to Roger, not terrible but showing every sign of their 34 years:
The tank underside was quite corroded and Roger suggested having it sandblasted back to bare metal. The painting has now been completed and clearcoated and looks gorgeous. Are you waiting for the "but"?
I'll post some photos as soon as it's all back.
Bits n' Pieces
A shelf full of new goodies!
Brake caliper refinished - the old pad pins (gold bits) were completely corroded in and I had to drill them out. New stainless piston kit and seal going in it.
Some parts back from the chromers. The spindles on the left are zinc plated. New indicators from David Silvers (the lenses aren't CE marked so I'm hoping they'll be OK at MOT. I'm keeping the old ones just in case).
More shiny bits! and the second hand grab rail I found locally. They seem to be rare as rocking horse whatsit. It has polished up nicely - not perfect but good enough.
I needed to do some re-assembly! Rechromed rear mudguard. Undersides have now been painted in a couple of coats of Hammerite to try and prevent more corrosion in future.
Powder coated goodies.
One fork leg reassembled. Fork sliders were NOS - much cheaper than hard chroming the old ones and a lucky find - I've not seen any more come up since.
And also the rider's footrests.
Electrics backplate. It was originally gold passivated I think, but had gone quite rusty. I resprayed it using gold paint.
I bought a used set of Hagon shockers that cleaned up really nicely and I repainted the black parts. Bolts zinc plated.
The wheels! Quick, pass the valium.....
Counselling....?
Around this time, the powder coating was due to be collected, and I had a natter with John at Elite about it. They could blast the wheels and powder coat the inner bits, but I wanted the "alloy" rim bits leaving, as they should polish up nice and easily. Ah, now that will be costing somewhat more, as they have to be masked for blasting, cleaned up, masked again for powder coating again etc. I decided to have a think about it.
A few weeks later, I'd decided I was going to change the colour of the paintwork from the pretty yucky (to my eyes) blue to a deep metallic burgundy (same colour as the 400-4 F2, for those that know it.) I suddenly had MY VISION. "Wow, what would look really great against that metallic burgundy is a metallic pewter silver wheel with bright polished rims." And I was right - it will look great, but boy it's been a hard road getting there!
Anyway, I got them home and set to for a quick job polishing up the alloy rims with a bit of chrome polish. What I hadn't realised was that, though the rims are alloy, they have an anodised coating.... What a bugger that stuff was to get off! It was tough as old boots and I had to sand it from every nook and cranny. It took probably a full day on each wheel just to get to a surface ready for polishing. And I had to buy a "mouse" palm sander with a pointy nose to get into the corners that I probably will never use again :(
The Grand Plan
- Powder coating - the frame, swinging arm, main stand, side stand, footrest brackets, engine mounts and loads of other bits and pieces were sent off to Elite Engineering in Aintree to be blasted and powder coated in gloss black.
I spent ages putting old bolts in all the threaded holes etc but this was a waste of time as John took them all out again and used his own tapered plugs! I was really pleased with the service, but make sure you allow a couple of extra weeks! Speak to John Heckle 0151 524 2838 - No Honda rebuild can survive without copious amounts of money being spent at David Silvers of course! http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/
Great service and very helpful. I got loads of stuff: full exhaust system, new seat, indicators, bearings, brake pads etc etc - the list was endless and the boxes big.......... - Paintwork: I changed tack several times. I'm no stranger to using aerosol cans and was going to DIY here. But as more money got piled in, I just thought I wouldn't be able to do it justice. Finally I took the plunge and got a local guy to blast and repaint the tank and side panels. I also got him to apply the nice reproduction decals that I obtained from Sunrise Graphics in Lytham. http://www.sunrisegraphics.co.uk/sunrise/
Would I recommend them? Well the decals are great, but I don't rate his customer interface highly if I'm honest - maybe it's me, but he seems to do nothing but moan whenever you talk to him. - The wheels. The plan changed lots here. I was originally just going to rub them down myself and repaint them in silver. But the inside of the "spokes" was very corroded, so I decided they needed blasting and might as well then have them powder coated. Then I had THE VISION that ended up costing me so much time and money......... See the section later on wheels.
- Chromework: most of the chrome was in a pretty horrible way, but was straight. The grab rail had been damaged by fitting a rack which rubbed against it, so I knew I needed a replacement. Over a number of months, I managed to pick up a number of new old stock (NOS) or good secondhand chrome parts off EBay and from the wonderful Stafford auto-jumble. Anything that I couldn't get was sent off to Niphos in Crewe for rechroming. http://www.niphos.co.uk/
Lesson learned here is to be clear about what you want from them. I told them that I wanted the chrome to be good for everyday use, not show standard. And that is exactly what I got - can't fault them. But I probably would have been happier in hindsight to pay a bit extra for them to have put more time into the prep to end up with a better finish. - Zinc plating: I decided not to go down the "stainless everything" route, but wanted to re-use as much of the original bike as I could, so sent most of the nuts, bolts and brackets off to Niphos again for zinc plating, after I'd degreased and cleaned it all up with a wire brush. This is relatively cheap and looks fantastic! I subsequently also sent the wheel and swing arm spindles there as well and decided to get the tool kit replated, which is a great finishing touch.
- Engine: I'd decided to take a risk that the internals will be OK, having done only 10,000 miles. The casings were shockingly dirty and corroded and I spent loads of time cleaning and preparing these for re-painting, which I did myself. Following an internet tip, I used silver alloy wheel paint. It looks great but we'll see how it stands up when used in anger.
The side cases will be polished by me. The barrels, head and cam cover will be vapour blasted and the cam cover will be sprayed like the cases. - Carburettors: I sent these off to CCs http://www.carbcleaning.com/ with a Keyster overhaul kit for them to fit. What a fantastic service - they vapour blasted the outsides, stripped them down, ultrasonically cleaned them and re-assembled using the new jets, gaskets etc from the kits. The choke spindle bush was still a little tight when they came back but after lots of 3 in 1 it is fine.
- Sundry brackets etc; I've spent ages cleaning, rubbing down and repainting brackets, master cylinder, brake caliper etc etc. But I like this bit - lots of job satisfaction at getting something looking nearly new again. Just the deep cleaning and polishing can make a huge difference.
- Alloy polishing: I bought a polishing kit from Halfords - not up to the job for motorbike stuff at all - you need heavier duty mops and abrasives from somewhere like Polishing Supplies on EBay. I did the fork legs, footrest mounts, brake back plate and will soon be doing the engine side cases. But the hardest thing I did was the wheel rims - see later story. Polishing is a horrible, horrible job but with a very, very satisfying end result.
- And finally for all those cables, chain and sprockets etc I used good old Wemoto. http://www.wemoto.com/
Getting down and dirty at last
What's the plan then?
So, what had I bought, a gem or a pup?
Here's the photo on EBay, which was how I first saw her. Didn't look too bad really.......
I got her home and in the cold light of the next day could really see what I had. Well, the rust had really set in - she had clearly been sat outside, but I think covered up partially. The mudguards had rather more than surface rust and the exhausts fell apart when I knocked them!
But on the positive side, everything looked to be there, original and unmolested. The tank and side panels were undamaged, but would need a repaint. The seat base was sound. She still sat on her original tyres - everything I could see supported the low 10,000 miles showing on the clocks.
This was great, but I really wanted to try and start her. The carbs clearly had issues related to the choke - the shaft that the butterflies sit on was completely seized into one of the carb bodies and the choke cable had snapped. Could it be something that simple that had caused her to be laid up?
I sat the carbs in really hot water for half an hour, got some mole gips on the shaft and, little by little, it started to come free. Lots of WD40 and 3 in 1 later, it was moving but not ideal - good enough to try and start it though.
There was still some petrol in the tank - from 2 years ago or 20 years ago?? Let's give it a bash and see what happens. I taped the exhausts together with duct tape (!), stuck some jump leads on from the car, and after 5 or 6 kicks she sparked up - first on one cylinder, then both. She sounded very rough - a combination of old fuel, gummed up carbs and holed/missing exhausts I hoped, but at least she would fire up and run.
I took the first decision - go ahead without an engine rebuild, assuming that fresh fuel, a carb rebuild and new exhaust system will clear her lungs - hope so.
Let battle commence!